Whether or not Mrs. Frederickson could have attacheda clinical lab to Dianes not being herself the day the Detectives pressured Diane to accompany them, the fact is Diane was clearly suffering the residual effects of that chemical poison in her system. Dianes automobile was secured and examined and no gun was found. Jeff, you mention being harsh as if there was a justification for it. She has an excellent conduct report and never reacted violently to any of the harassment from other inmates. I think you may be right that she is likely still locked up due to her diagnoses of antisocial, histrionic and narcissistic, but again, no one would care and this crappy diagnosis wouldnt have been bought and paid for if not the high profile nature of the case. Teams of people and detectives combed the area for months looking for the gun but it was nowhere to be found. Diane Downs changed her story so many times, even at her parole hearing. You seem to believe everyone is innocent. The question is of course, how can we determine guilt or innocence without a fair trial? You can check this link and go online to see her picture with Cheryl and the rest of the family. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Downs was constantly provoked by inmates because of the nature of her situation, and she never once attacked or defended herself in a violent manner. Because she had driven that area for years for her work. She was expelled and reunited with him against her parents wishes. Diane had siblings and parents. On the single count of murder, the jurors needed a unanimous decision. After asking her to have an affair, he kept vacillating between his wife and her. The fact that the judge who presided over the child welfare case and the criminal case was the same individual is absolutely a conflict of interest. That is the way she was brought up,especially at the demand of her rigid but verydedicated father. This blogger thinks that if you had bothered reading the blogs that you just mentioned, you would know that I do not call anyone innocent. It was not unlike brainwashing. A demonstration in court strongly suggested: Suggested, not confirmed. The gun problem or the absence of blood and powder residues are not make believe. You are right. Why am I not arguing the facts of the trial? You wondered at times, which side he was working for. I actually can relate to things she did and was like, especially chasing after a guy that dont want youi did one night stands during my chase..to try to get over himits was a dumb idea and really made things worse, but it made sense at the time. And thats fair enough. I believe DDs case needs to be re looked at and all evidence reviewed. She has done her time in prison and I hope that she gets the chance to get out and spend time with her mother and siblings. He still shouldnt have been allowed to adopt them while the appeals process was ongoing, if he had any role in those cases. She may be highly vulnerable to losing control of her emotions in emotionally charged situations, creating faulty judgment and ineffective and inappropriate behavior. To have separated Christie from her brother and the rest of the family to be able to get her mom was unconscionable. Critics said she deliberately became pregnant in order to garner sympathy from the jury. HUGE conflict of interest. In the moment of who shot youmy momhave a hard time believing that could be coached. The implication was not only cruel, in the light of what Diane was suffering, it was also clear. He had an attorney, Fred G. Campbell Jr., send us a letter denying our request and telling us: You are legally, as well as factually, a stranger to them. Who does he think he is? Diane doesnt believe Rebecca is her daughter, rather a media puppet ran by Rule. She functions best in highly structured environments where she has a sense of control. In a perfect world this would always be the case. But as usual, it was slanted in the worst possible way. Makes no difference to me. Rule even talked about writing a book about her but it never materialized. Rule sued the Seattle Weekly after they published the article titled , Ann Rule promotes her books as true crime stories so to this day, viewers believe that the book and the movie titled, This reminds me of what a jail counselor named Rachel Roth said at the trial of Debra Milke , They already had made up their mind that Diane was the perpetrator so they laughed off the idea of the , When I hear some people say that they would have liked to smack that smirk off Dianes face when she interacted with the cops or the media, I say. After graduation, Steven joined the Navy and Diane was sent to Pacific Coast Baptist Bible College where she failed miserably at remaining pure and chaste, not unlike most girls of her generation who rejected their strict religious upbringing. I refer you to this section of the blog: They claimed to have found two lead cartridges in Dianes rifle at home that supposedly matched the ones used during the crime. But he overestimated the kind of people that would go along with this soap opera. Mr. Downs must have had a bad feeling about Jagger because before trial: speculation A test for the presence of gunshot residue conducted on Dianes hands the night of the shooting, returned a negative result (Appendix 23). The guy should have walked away from the case or from adopting them. Regardless of the facts you point out, there is no doubt in my mind that Diane Downs is guilty. Bannon, a former adviser . I have nothing to gain and I am not making up songs and dances about a unicorn. The most frequent remarks I hear about the case when confronted by the state misconduct and the lack of evidence are gut feelings I dont buy it Shes guilty She did it I know she did it Her story makes no sense Shes evil Shes crazy. It had to be her.. I will change it. No gun, no blood or gun residue on her and if she shot them, these elements should have been there. One could argue that this blog does not stick to what came out at trial. They examined her clothes also. And that Ann Rule took advantage of the situation to sell her book. You read a few comments. I didnt know that. Reduces conflict because communication is limited. The notes taken daily by the nurses became a point of contention at trial. Same with her brother. Dianes injury had to be quite painful and shewas in shockwhile driving to the hospital and accompanying the detectives to the crime scene. So many of the cases Lise writes about on this blog either have no forensic evidence that supports the verdict or have very misleading forensic evidence that may or may not support the verdict, depending on who is interpreting it. This same witness corroborated that Diane did not stop to do something suspicious or dispose of the gun. Her father passed away in October 2017 after having fought relentlessly for her release. Seems like she was her worst enemy. Someone found guilty of a crime should have a sentence that can be served and not one that is contingent on the remorse shown. She keeps her emotions under tight control, presenting only socially acceptable feelings and burying other contradictory feelings.. The diagnosis of the psychiatrist for the state is also clearly documented. And he was found not guilty because his defense team played the race card in an area of LA where they did not trust the police and discussed EDTA and DNA ad nauseam to confuse the jurors. Too bad it triggered you, maybe try to stay away from sites that might not go along with the mob mentality and usual media narrative. In my opinion, the investigation was too hasty and only focused on Diane. In fact, I am surprised that people are not flabbergasted by the way this case was handled and tried and that what bothers them most is that I try to discuss it in a blog and dare defending this woman. He actually was the one who suggested theybecome intimate after many friendly, platonic conversations. I cant believe that it was allowed to happen, actually. The notions of humanity and rehabilitation have been left on the wayside long ago. I would like to see her released because I do not believe in life without parole for any inmate with no priors who had a good conduct while incarcerated. The point is our trials need to be conducted fairly and based on evidence. According to Detective Welch, Steve Downs followed Diane to Oregon, they fought and Steves rage took the last step on the path hed been treading for a long time. Thanks again. Once you are vilified in the media in the US, the way Downs and others have been, a lot of people shut their eyes and their mind to any other possibility than what was presented in the court of public opinion. A sick kid who had a stroke and traumatized being pressured for weeks to remember her mother killing her? Maybe I should have elaborated more about this comment. It was pretty apparent during the course of this saga that the media and the state were willing to give a free pass to anyone willing to badmouth Diane. She did it. I stuck to what came out at trial and not the fantasy factory coming from the state, the media and Rule. It was the story of two troubled young souls trying to survive without a safety net. The inconsistencies and obvious lack of evidence in this case should have called for a wider investigation instead of solely focusing on their prime suspect. Mr. The jury verdict was guilty on all counts, but there was a mixture of votes. You seem to forget that even a few jurors started by voting not guilty on some of the charges. Thats the point. I changed the sites email recently to thetroublewithjustice@hotmail.com Im sure nothing I write will change that. Maybe someone needs to read Part two in Dr. Billings in-depth review of the Diane Downs Murder Case in Oregon. I had never heard of this case and fell upon several videos that had me completely convinced DD was a narcissistic psychopath. After giving birth to . I think DD is guilty, but I also think her trial was far from due process, and that is the important issue. Just like Rule though, your blog is extremely biased, and reads almost as though she told you exactly what to write at times. I mean, yeah, I can see the no contact order with Diane. It was never a slam dunk. Either way, it appears to be a conflict of interest. Phenobarbital was administered alongside the Dilantin. Foote denied the motion and declared you have an attorney, use him.. I am interested in the truth. Hardly circumstantial or coincidental what are the chances that a bushy haired stranger, masked men, or someone that knew her (take your pick from Dianes ever shifting account) would have the exact same bullets matching to bullets from a gun owned by Diane ? (I know that wasnt brought up this time but it usually is.) Two wrongs do not make a right but illustrates that she should have never been coerced before, during or after the trial. I was a patient of the doctor who worked so hard to save her childrens lives that night. Thank you for presenting a side of the story & case apart from the usual narrative. Jump through the States hoops, or find a noose around your neck. If personal diaries were to be believed, half of the population would be in great jeopardy. But if you compare the time she was seen by the witness to the timing of her arrival at the hospital, it seems to indicate she went pretty fast, butnone of it was explained ordemonstrated properly. But before you get too deep into the drug stuff with Van Houten, she chose to take drugs. You hit the nail right on the head. I wish she could get a new look. If you had, you would clearly know that I do not claim her guilt or innocence. She also underwent a gun residue test that same evening that revealed no trace of gun powder on her hands. BUT like you rightly explain, there was no real evidence of her guilt. When you hear her in interviews she sounds more concerned with herself than her kids. He asked her for the car keys and she pretended to throw them away to distract him. It surely was not due process. The last time I checked, it is my website and if you find it tiresome, no one is inviting you to stay or read the content; which you evidently did not read anyway. I have no idea how the social workers and county attorneys justified doing their due diligence in preserving the family (mandated by law) when they were in court. I do not discuss her guilt or innocence because this is not what the blog is about, but I personally hope she is released one day. If it doesnt matter to you, it should. But you dont mention that she again has changed her story. Everywhere, EXCEPT the door through which Diane reported to police, the male stranger had passed. Page 37 of Case History. Diane Downs was convicted because she didn't appear "sorry enough" during her TV appearances. answer the question why didn't steve downs get custody, which will help you get the most accurate answer. Anything less is a conflict of interest. I agree. While not evidence of guilt or innocence, it is certainly worth noting as part of the overall wrongs perpetrated during this fiasco of a trial and subsequent appeals. She repeated it years later at school. CK allowed DD to drive away despite the fact she could identify him and he had a gun? I wanted to ask you something on this case. What is known for a fact, is, Prosecutor Fred Hugi took physical custody of Christie and Danny shortly after Christies confessions to her school mates, and he officially adopted them in the summer of 1986. Most people described Dianes injury as minor or superficial but in reality, it was a very serious injury. She (Diane) managed to jump in the car after getting shot in the arm. The most recent tape of her daughter is not admissible because it is never allowed to bring out tapes that were obtained this way. I have researched the case and pointed out discrepancies and the fact that it was not the slam dunk that they were portraying. Completely unethical, and not in the best interest of those children. I state that it is not my place to judge innocence or guilt. The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI, which is the official psychiatric diagnostic manual. One of the jurors finally declared. The price of celebrity for her was losing her freedom and her children for life. The unicorn, the song, her personality. Saying that I seem to be doing what I accuse Ann Rule of doing is kind of ironic because the point of this blog is to try to stay away from innuendo and fantasies like unicorns and songs that might have been playing or not during a tragic murder. The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI: Downs lawyer at the time should have objected as the term was non existent. The fact that Dianes injury was way more serious than they tried to pretend? What I believe doesnt matter at all. It seems that the Downs were totally ignored. Diane was found guilty and sentenced to life and she has been in prison ever since. It had nothing to do with the evidence of the case and represents useless labeling anyway. My guess is the grandparents were so overwhelmed with Dianes case that they let the system take care of the kids at first. Evidence or not, they were going to do their best to put her away for life. The blog tries to bring balance and more objectivity to a case that was TOTALLY one sided and still is. Downs, born Elizabeth Diane Frederickson, was a 27-year-old divorced postal worker when she pulled up outside a hospital in Oregon in May 1983. Everything I outlined should be public knowledge. Her trial was speculative and based on so many fallacies. It was all about Charlene wanting KnickKnick ~wanting Dianeand Diane wanting a return to the peace she had before Knick asked his wife for a divorce. None of this is EVIDENCE of anything in regard to the murder trial, and not once did I read that it was. The rest of the family? Her husband James Krauseneck was charged with her murder in November of this year. This unhealthy marriage survived and became a daily struggle. Halo Infinite. Foster Carers says either Australia or England to me. My question is: why is she still locked up? Sonny arrives at his restaurant and gives Dex, who is there, the night off. She even became a surrogate mother to make money and provide two parents the opportunity to have a child. I hope they have. Not optional, kids should not be in limbo that long, but it happens all the time. Moreover, it was not a suicide case, but of a woman who supposedly shot herself in the arm and her 3 children several times. Mrs. Fredericksons concern for her daughters emotional state was well placed. but later you claim Diane was inside the car and shot the kids in the car and that that BECAUSE she was inside the car she should have had blood splatter on herso WHICH IS IT, I dont know which it is Libby. View theaffidavits. She signed an affidavit to that effect and wanted the jury informed of it but it was never done. https://www.google.com/search?q=diane+downs+with+christie+cheryl+and+danny&sxsrf=ACYBGNQDEM3XNQjZXlqNQpYLhZCn7ic5iw:1576689995166&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjNuNT427_mAhUcJTQIHbveBMIQ_AUoAXoECA4QAw&biw=1024&bih=462#imgrc=gQkU10UxNhHn_M: If youre talking about the picture in the blog that is labeled as Christie, it is Christie. No conflict of interest there? It was the story of Diane Downs. tell someone else. Meaning it was unlikely she was the shooter. So Mark, where are you from? What I explain in the blog is that the fact that Foote is the one who removed the children from Dianes care is exactly why he should NOT have been presiding over her murder trial. Diane was sentenced to life plus 50 years. Within three weeks, Diane had lost custody of her remaining wounded children and had become the number one suspect in the eyes of the police department and District Attorneys office. I saw footage of Diane herself laughing during the re-enactment of the crime. One of the jurors finally declared we started as a group and finished as a group., He also said we dont want to put pressure on the group, we dont want to end up bickering. Rule sued the Seattle Weekly after they published the article titled Ann Rules Sloppy Storytelling, but she lost and had to make restitution. No conflict of interest from a prosecutor adopting a defendants children 2 years after the fact? When I hear some people say that they would have liked to smack that smirk off Dianes face when she interacted with the cops or the media, I sayreadthis to understand accounts of people laughing at the wrong time and how it is related to their personality disorder. As it was getting dark and the young ones fell asleep in the car, their mother decided to head home. We, who watched her parole hearing a few years ago prayed HARD that she wouldnt be set free, know she is guilty. She is nowhere near being paroled and if she admitted guilt, I am not even convinced they would release her. This is also what the state did to her. It isnt there all the time. In the spring of 1986, Christie confided to school mates that shed been coerced to lie in court, to implicate her mother (Appendix 1-2). Being bipolar, she had no impulse control so it should not have surprised anyone. Dilantin is known to cause mental confusion and you can check it online, but consider the dosage she was on and it needs no clarification. Very little is definitively known in this area. Leslie Van Houten is an example of a woman who probably will never see the light of day because of her high profile status. And according to the law, she should have been released by now, independently of what she says or not. Also, I agree he does look a little like the actor who played Fred Hugi but I think it might be a coincidence. 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