The most important is the Chalice of Insanity, the Omen that closes out the first game. Theres lots of good lines in those movies to chant. Balanced. When does the mundane elevator become the mystic elevator. Figure 1-1: Our second house sprawls more. So my group and I just played chapter 12 and since we crossed out chapter 13 at some point months ago (Due to unfinished painting event) I guess we are done? One other new bit of Legacy showed up in this fourth game:we learned more about the weird helm that we got at the end of Chapter Two. Now it (barely) fits within the build volume of an Ender 3. Certainly, the addition of any new rules system is to a Legacy games benefit and the addition of new places to explore even moreso. But the mechanic that gave us the ability to walk through a hole in space to find new dimensions, items, and curses was a really great jump. And, since Betrayal Legacy is a overlord-style co-op, I also decided to chronicle how its co-op play changes over time, as a complement to my work inMeeples Together. We've just played chapter 3 (I know, I'm risking so many spoilers being here), so have only brought it out of its resting place. Legacy:The Legacy elements also feel more interesting in this game. You put one sticker on as part of the setup for chapter 3, but we aren't sure if you put a sticker on when you first pull Oh, theoretically you might have a temporary tactical alliance when youre all working to kill a certain player, but you might not. Efficient. Drop a comment below and Ill compile a commenters list at some point in the future. We define a traitor in a co-op game as someone whos purposefully lying in wait, trying to wreck the cooperation. We would quickly go from friends to enemies once a traitor was revealed. The problem is that theyre very punishing, often causing damage, often pushing the players ever onward, hoping to avoid the worst. Inhabitants But now that were four games in, were more looking forward to seeing how things advance, because it feels like the Legacy and the co-op play are clicking in a way that they werent early on. This should easily print with no supports and minimal infill, outside of how large it is, this is a . As you play through the game youll never find a way to trigger Haunt 0. Mind you, the Haunt feels a bit more rudimentary than the last two, because its all tactical combat. Nonetheless, this article uses the word traitor because thats what Betrayal does. These seemingly minor details can have major implications by the end of the campaign. But can you only use the the Helm Rerolls on your own dice? Figure P-2: By design, the action was all outside. . We gasped in disbelief when decisions had to be made or some new mechanic was revealed. Another starts with certain tiles of the board already discovered. That stickered-over tile, The Chasm, is an entrance to the Otherworlds, which appear as 28 new cards that we add to our box. Once you finish the campaign and have fully realized your house there was a warm feeling of finality to the experience. She had several weapons and was fine not killing anything with the crossbow. My friend John had the Crossbow as a family heirloom. One mission immediately starts with a haunt, for example. We do, he does, and the good guys win for the first time ever. Our only big surprise is finding out more about the helm, as we learn it can be used to select a player, which means that players that use its power more are more likely to be selected. This is the first game that entirely clicked for us, and thats in large part because the amount of time before the haunt has been increasing each game: there was only one omen in the first game, two in the second, and three in the third, pushing the Haunt back a little each time. His family crest is clearly marked on the Deed to the House if we forget. Let us know your thoughts in the comments section below, but please keep them spoiler-free for everyone else. Then, once during each game, each player can add a sticker, at a time they choose, to reroll their dice, in the hopes of a more favourable outcome. Figure 6-2: Our last rules addition, the Otherworlds, were disappointing (and frustrating). Jo. You destroy the deed. Its not a surprise that its in the game, a flap for the package overlaps a section of the insert letting you know its in the bottom of the box. The example is playable. The introduction of NPCs (non player characters) are another fun addition to the game. We do. But we didint feel like the Legacy added much to the original game, and if anything, it really underplayed and underused its Legacyelements. Obviously, there are spoilers here for Betrayal Legacy, but each entry should only talk about the surprises up to that date. Betrayal Legacy Ending Questions (Spoilers included) One more warning, this post will contain massive spoilers for anyone who hasn't completed the campaign. Take a second to support Shannon Appelcline on Patreon! Can anyone explain to me how this is anything other than LAME? We stream live on twitch at twitch.tv/QuestsAndChaos every Monday, Tuesday, and Saturday evenings in PST (Pacific Time Zone) You could have one person say baby shark and then everyone else could answer with do do doodoo all in monotone like you did before. For more information, please see our This post contains Hints & Tips for someone who has played up to Game 4 and is preparing to play Game 5. Alternatively I think something along the lines of having a couple people chanting I am the key master while others chant I am the gatekeeper. So I know you can put your family crest on the helm for a reroll, but . But wed thought that the Legacy elements of the game would help it to rise above those elements, with a long-term campaign offering the opportunity to both offset randomness and to create the longer stories that we sometimes felt denied in the originalBetrayal. The instructions in the Rule book simply say draw a random Rune token . We didnt see many of our Legacy items due to a very quick haunt, and werent able to get them to the right people. The problem is that theres not much cooperation other than the groups accumulation of resources toward success. To preserve anyone's experience, this review will be spoiler-free. There is still some strategic play, with several players running around and smashing so that a final player can INVOKE to close the portal, but its still a big step down from Chapters Two and Three, which had multi-stage strategic cooperation that we thought would be the new normal for the game, but which has largely disappeared in the games since. That said, once you complete the campaign, your copy of Betrayal Legacy can be played infinitely in "Free Play" mode. Betrayal Legacy is also smart for what it does and does not take from the original Betrayal. Simultaneously, there's the second overarching story of the family legacy of the players, who alter the house and its contents along the way. You can never go wrong with a ghostbusters reference. Take a second to support Shannon Appelcline on Patreon! Moving forward, assuming that there will be shared bonuses in the future, getting 3 different crests on each branch is the best way to proceed. The first two are thematic characters, whos powers make sense. This post contains Hints & Tips for someone who has played up to Game 2 and is preparing to play Game 3. Ending: Entries 203-205 are all obviously the different endings to the campaign. As we discovered, this results indifferent cards being added to decks (for future play) depending on who won this particular game. Obviously, there are spoilers here for Betrayal Legacy, but each entry should only talk about the surprises up to that date. While those familiar with Betrayal at House on the Hill can open the box and start playing right away, even the most seasoned Betrayal vets should have no idea what to expect. In fact when were down to our last piece of furniture, its increasingly obvious were going to win, which is never a great thing a round out in a co-op game. Tabletop and card game design. The more focused approach to haunts in Betrayal Legacy, as opposed to Betrayal at House on the Hill's randomized approach, allows for more creative storytelling and game manipulation. We were reading the last little bit of story; that denouement that brings it to a nice conclusion. If it reveals a branch with no stickers on it, simply choose again. . I love that idea, which is why Ive been so enthusiastic writing about the categorysLegacy Play, Legacy Venn, Legacy Mechanics, and Legacy Emotions in past articles. My niece would still like to play through it and Im considering it still. Balanced. Efficient. . However the ramp-up of the cooperation may have been more problematic, as we moved through: (p) no cooperation; (1) tactical fighting; (2) minimal strategic cooperation; and (3) multi-stage strategic cooperation. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. The design of this insert was so good that it made getting rid of it seem foolish since it organized everything so well, and perfectly held a second box of miniatures for when the game goes from old world aesthetic to a more modern focus. They not only name them, but also put stickers on them that will provide special benefits in future games but only if they actually draw the items, or are given them. Our first clue is a really big number on Octavia (we think its a 9, but it turns out to be a 6). You can access all my other Betrayal posts HERE. This allows some strategic work, as some players are fighting, some are dragging, and some are magically moving. Tabletop and card game design. It has to have been mentioned during the final scenario as several of the cards reference the Mundane Elevator specifically so it can't have transformed before that. It runs over centuries, of course, so there will be new characters, with new bonuses to come. Betrayal Legacy Hints & Tips - Game 1 - You can only Heirloom an Item at the moment you draw the card from the Item deck. You have been warned. Privacy Policy. Obviously, there are spoilers here for Betrayal Legacy, but each entry should only talk about the surprises up to that date. Still, were always going to remember the murderer who took over the house. We just chanted "helmmmm" this time, but discussed Baby Shark and Highway to Helm. How many stickers should each player have on the helm when you're finished with setup and actually start playing chapter 3? Playing the same board game with the same group of players over a dozen times doesn't sound like the best way to spend multiple nights . I will hide the exact purpose of it under a Spoiler tag, for those that want to start the game unknowing. Join Quests and Chaos as they Learn how to play through the board game Betrayal Legacy by Rob Daviau, and released by Avalon Hill of Wizards of the Coast. I was actively trying to get that third check to read story and see the horror unleashed. I didnt talk about the inhabitants, the little girl, the Doctor, or so many other things. Its kind of intriguing, but not something we actually experienced in this game. A new mechanic that can only be used once, is easy to forget about, during the course of exploring the house, so just try and keep it in mind, once you read it. The more mechanical Legacy elements didnt impact our play much. As Ive seen my own groups games of Pandemic Legacy: Season Two and SeaFall expand, Ive regretted not chronicling that expansion over time. Co-op: We do something we havent before: we actually cooperate a bit before the Haunt, primarily using a special skill that allows us to somewhat select the house tiles coming up. The arrival of the Helm. Unfortunately, it was two spaces away and she only had one ranged weapon. Elegant. The person who used the helm the most is a traitor. This time around, we discover theres a secret cult working out of the house, and we need to discover and kill their leader. Game Reviewer, Story-Teller, Gamer, Hawaiian Shirt Aficionado, He/Him. We maximize our health tactically, and that lets us find the cure in the nick of time. Obviously it was cursed and anyone who used it was doomed. You can access all my other Betrayal posts HERE. This can be for attack, defense, an Event card or a Haunt roll. The Bloodied Room was a rarity that we really remembered every time it returned, but most of the ghosts and scares just faded away into a deck of ghosts and scares, thus denying us their Legacy. This time one of the characters is possessed by an evil axe-murdering spirit. It's even possible to keep your character from a previous game, assuming they made it out of the mission alive. We define a traitor in a co-op game as someone who's purposefully lying in wait, trying to wreck the cooperation. Figure 3-2: Lets be frank, this Legacy helm isnt going to go anywhere good. From the end of the prologue one of the players owned the house. Meanwhile, we also knew the house and thus were aware of things like there was an Omen space in the Outside and that the last Ground Floor tile was going to reveal a secret door. We get to look at them one at a time. Sadly, its again pretty rudimentary cooperation. In most Legacy games, like PandemicandSeaFall, players are driving the explorations and many of the other changes to the game. Lost travelers with too much to lose. Join Thomas Koch, James Aaron Oh, Ezra Denney, Sai, Grant Corvin as they playthrough the Actual Play GamePlay of Betrayal Legacy.-Support The Channel- Join our Patreon https://www.patreon.com/questsandchaos Watch live at https://www.twitch.tv/questsandchaos Join our discord: https://discord.gg/7gJKxnv T-shirts, mugs, coasters and more available at: https://questsandchaos.com/merch Get Betrayal Legacy: https://amzn.to/2LPpBgB#HowToPlay #BoardGames #PlaythroughEzra Denney | https://www.twitter.com/EzraWontTweet Grant Corvin | https://twitter.com/JackRhienSaiJames Aaron Oh | https://www.twitter.com/JamesAaronOhThomas Koch | https://twitter.com/ThomasAKochQuests and Chaos features tabletop content including Dungeons Dragons, Call of Cthulhu, Board Games, and gaming industry interviews. Instead, most of the Legacy elements were confined to cards and tiles, which might or might not come up in future games, and which would likely be forgotten by the time they did. Though the distribution of ghosts probably affected our play, it wasnt very overt. While it's tough to talk about Betrayal Legacy without spoiling anything, I can say how my friends and I reacted while playing. Betrayal Legacy is a cooperative, exploration game for 3-5 players which plays in about 90-120 minutes and is best with 4-5 players. I designed this as an altar to hold the Helm, such that its magnificence can be properly beheld by all in attendance. An Item can only be an Heirloom for one player. Co-op: We actually spend most of our time roleplaying rather than cooperating in the early part of the game, which is a fine alternative. There were two more interactive Legacy mechanics. Its probably not giving too much away to say that generic man/woman icons are used for a reason, as there will be new NPCs throughout the campaign. (At least thats my hope; I do still have some concern that we might have just gotten lucky with our Legacy elements in our fourth game but Ill check in with you in three or four months to say for sure.). We never managed to get the third check on any of the other weapons. So, its more of a Legacy element than most of the ones weve seen before. More Geek Sites RPGGeek VideoGameGeek Geek Events. Not a great second look for a co-op game. Every one of these had three boxes. No, we still dont know what this means, but were told the next Chapter will be Part II of the game. After the final dice rolls we all stood and applauded, capable only of muttering "holy shit" to ourselves. Has the added benefit of permitting the Helm to be moved without sullying it with our unworthy human fingers. So, go us. Ive dug out all of the stuff in every Legacy game Ive bought; I make a point of it when sorting the bits. It will contain **Spoilers up to and including Game 2**. This was easy to figure out we just didnt realize when it would happen. Co-op: The cooperative play of this Chapter is back to the multi-stage strategy that weve been missing. Were all normal humans. Elegant. You can access all my other Betrayal posts HERE. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. Honestly, its not the most interesting storyline, but the gameplay makes up for it. we play the game and win (woohoo) and no rules come up for gates. John asked her multiple times not to kill anything with it. (Michael.) When we realized that this was now the house from the original game it was stunning. This has been an interesting addition, and its ability is explained during the set up for Game 3. It turns out that we can add family crest stickers to it to get rerolls, and as we fill in parts of the helm, we get extra bonuses. Another problem was a lack of player agency, not just in the game itself (always a problem inBetrayal), but in the campaign. Part of that was learning the story elements that will return in future games, including the rooms that make up the house (and its grounds), as well as items. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Overall, we have a good time early in this game, again because of the increased length of the early game, but the fight-focused Haunt feels a bit rudimentary. There we go. You can access all my other Betrayal posts HERE. Also that they let the first person to die know that there wasnt a witch just in case people were confused was so nice. This time, one of our number is possessed by their mirror copy from another dimension, who then tries to assimilate the rest of the characters (or else kill them). Thats because theres no way to provide help in the Otherworlds, and once the resources are recovered, theyre mostly in the form of curses that cant be traded away. You have been warned. As it turns out, the cooperation ofBetrayal Legacyramps up in complexity and meaningfulness over the first four or so sessions of play, but this was not a great first look for a game that was supposed to be a co-op. Legacy:The big Legacy element of this Chapter was the introduction of the Otherworlds, and to be honest, they were overwhelming. So, players are strategically cooperating, but theres very little of the more interesting tactics which occasionally appeared on the peripheries of previous adventures. All the resources here are offered free, but if you found a post useful, and you are in a position to help, I will gratefully accept any support. In other words, its totally on us. Right away, Betrayal Legacy shows how it stands apart from the original Betrayal at House on the Hill. Its tons of fun, with a great story, and really interesting mechanics. Speaking of which. * Betrayal at House on the Hill (2004) and its derivatives uses the word traitor for their evil players, but its not a traitor as we define it in Meeples Together. Took almost 20 hours to print at 0.08 layer height and 5% infill, but any less would be an affront to the Helm. At the end of one game, the Helm arrives. Theyre also integral to the third Haunt, which (thankfully) adds a second level of complexity to the cooperative play. The major bit of Legacy in this Chapter is that we get a whole new major mechanic. Certainly, theres a plotted story that theyre interacting with, but they can still look at the game and the board and see the changes they chose to make. It wasnt a mechanic that existed in any of the other Betrayal versions Id seen, gave us a new place to explore, and really changed how we had to view some of the Haunts. This shows us that a branch of many colours is a way of sharing the benefits at these times. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. It will contain **Spoilers up to and including Game 4**. Join our community! Then they started talking. Certain cards are destroyed or temporarily taken out of the game. Join half a million readers enjoying Newsweek's free newsletters, Betrayal Legacy is the best board gaming experience I've had, Everyone Practices Cancel Culture | Opinion, Deplatforming Free Speech is Dangerous | Opinion, 'Shadows in the Forest' Board Game Review. Many legacy games are designed for one playthrough of the campaign, and that holds true for Betrayal Legacy. This game, we actually dont initiate the Haunt until the fourth omen symbol comes up, and that means that weve mapped out a large number of rooms. There is not too much that needs explaining, except that its ability can only be used by each player, once per game. But we cant keep making our own fun. It had two checks and his wife, Ally, had found it during this particular game. This allows our first bit of strategic cooperation, as we run to different locations in the house to reveal these clues. This is one in a series of posts regarding the board game Betrayal Legacy. I could have gone on. Come discuss games like Codenames, Wingspan, Terra Mystica, and all your other favorite games! Betrayal Legacy | Ep.4 | Chapter 3 | Board Game Playthrough | SPOILERS! Chapter Four: 1797 The Haunted Furniture. Event Cards #8. Betrayal Legacy is a gaming experience I will never forget. Skip Navigation Accessibility Feedback Toggle Sidebar Show Menu. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! This first session almost turned us off the whole game, because we felt manipulated in a clumsy and obvious way. But, as noted before, its minor. Still, it also provides more opportunity to wear down the foes resources. We often found the original game too random, and we felt like the long turns and variable length games often resulted in some or all players never getting off their feet, and so not getting to really experience the adventurous elements of the game. We hadnt even come close to filling the thing and here we were getting betrayed by it. All of the characters from the original game began to speak. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! Co-op:As the axe murderer is known, theres opportunity in this second game for some simple, tactical cooperation among the cooperating players. Im used to their being stuff under the insert in Legacy games. So, we select for items and against omens, under the theory that its 80% likely to benefit each of us. If other people who have finished can point out something we may have missed, or possibly a WoG or errata related to these, it would be much appreciated. 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