It's much too heavy any more!" Deceit and delusion are powerful spiritual weapons of destruction but they pale in potency compared to the creative and edifying Word of God come alive by faith in believers' hearts! One of them toward the end of this list is King David. by LeRoy Gardenier And when Saul saw any strong man or any valiant man, he took him for himself. But, you would think that after two years you would get the idea that this was not breaking. Saul, after having disqualified himself from being king, sought to ingratiate himself with God by killing Canaanites, including an unrecorded massacre of Gibeonites. Ezekiel 18:19-20 indicates that guilt for sin is not transferable, but the consequences can often touch several generations. It was certainly alive and well in Israel. And the king said, "I will give them.". And we bear the guilt with them for that. The chronicler, herewhoever he wasis giving us a big hint that David's attention was elsewhere for three whole years. You didn't do it. The Gibeonites were not Israelites, but the remnant of the Amorites, which Saul pursued from within Israel. This was a long time ago. As mentioned earlier, there was the rebellion of Absalom. Can we assume that God was in any way propitiated at the conclusion of this story? Deuteronomy 7:1-2 When the LORD your God brings you into the land which you go to possess, and has cast out many nations before you, the Hittites and the Girgashites and the Amorites and the Canaanites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than you, and when the LORD your God delivers them over to you, you shall conquer them and utterly destroy them. And Samuel says, "See? WebThe Lord answered, Saul and his family of murderers are the reason for this shortage, because he killed the Gibeonites. 2 Samuel 21:1 American Standard Version (ASV) 1 And there was a famine in the days of David three years, year after year; and David sought the face of Jehovah. Perhaps if I go and kill all the Gibeonites like Joshua was supposed to do, maybe God will let me back into the chair.". He was tired, and wanted to get it out of the way. For many today, this time period is ancient history. (4:10). About two years ago, Barry Watson, our lone member in Namibia, wrote me an email message in which this incident was at the heart of it. And your strength shall be spent in vain; for your land shall not yield its produce, nor shall the trees of the land yield their fruit. Nob. II Samuel 21:7 But the king spared Mephibosheth the son of Jonathan, the son of Saul, because of the LORD's oath that was between them, between David and Jonathan the son of Saul. Leviticus 26:18-20 And after all this, if you do not obey Me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins. Now there was a famine in the days of David for three years, year after year; and David inquired of the LORD. Time to retire!" It would be the equivalent of an event somewhere between the Korean War and the Vietnam War. Now, turn to the episode of King David, which we introduced. No one killed king David. He died of old age, at the age of three score and ten (70 years). His son Solomon succeeded him. You might be thinking of Moreover, the Gibeonites who survived remembered, and they wanted blood when they were asked. 12 Saul said, Listen now, son of Ahitub.. For the Gibeonites, their wily guile and deception gained them survival and nothing more. And, that was that. If a person sins, he receives God's judgment for those sins. The Bible tells us that after Saul's death God sent a famine into the land mainly to get the attention of Saul's successor, King David. The "Great Debate" between Nixon and Kennedy had not occurred yet. He received good marks in Scripture. It is not there in the Scriptures. Instead, David brings back twice as many. When God called Saul to be king, Israel was on the verge of collapse. During the time of the judges, the Israelites had repeatedly turned away, lea It was not just Saul, but other members of his family. Only when the Gibeonites were under siege from a common enemy and were calling in the marker on their mutual aid treaty did the Israelites turn to God for counsel and advice. And the LORD answered, "It is because of Saul and his bloodthirsty house, because he killed the Gibeonites." And they went to Joshua, to the camp at Gilgal, and said to him and to the men of Israel, "We have come from a far country; now therefore, make a covenant with us. There are so many things I have got to do.". The famine was a punishment for Sauls violation of the covenant, made with the Gibeonites back during the days of Joshua. They probably went from Gibeon by some circuitous route so they did not come directly from the west where they actually lived. But, are these people telling the truth? So, others besides Saul were guilty. Things were going wrong. Instead, they told a story that either ignored the truth completely or, at least, shaded the truth in such a way that it was full of guile and deceit. Notice the timing and the manner of the execution. WebWhich city did Saul destroy when he found that its priests had given David's men provision? WebVetus Testamentum 24:1 (January 1974):1-7.] David was Born Mar 2, 2022 A three-year famine occurs as a result of Sauls attack on the Gibeonites Mar 2, 2022. and for his bloody house. Certainly, after three years you would. Perhaps he thought, "Hmm. In addition, his own soldiers had to tell him, "David, you just don't have it anymore. A snare is a trap. They knew! King Saul later broke the treaty that Joshua had signed and attacked the Gibeonites. Later still, during the time of King David, a famine occurred in Israel. When David asked the Lord about the famine, God said, It is on account of Saul and his blood-stained house; it is because he put the Gibeonites to death (2 Samuel 21:1). 0 responses And the Gibeonites said to him, "We will have no silver or gold from Saul or from his house, nor shall you kill any man in Israel for us." The Jewish Encyclopedia asserts that one group of rabbis felt that Saul's punishment at God's hands is a sign of his weak moral character whose only virtue was being tall and handsome. One of the things He specifically mentions is famine, which happens to be the third sealphysical famine, but we remember from Amos that there is a spiritual famine as well. They wanted the God of Israel to take it in the eye. God punished Adam and Eve for their sin. Verse 1 did say that it was "Saul and his bloodthirsty house" who had massacred the Gibeonites. Those who believe that they can outsmart, outflank or in any way outmaneuver our Enemy through cerebral strategies are doomed to the slavery and destruction heaped upon Saul and the Gibeonites. And those two are questionable. It is not the sin of Adam and Eve; it is their own sin. Much later, King Saul ignored this covenant of peace and killed some Gibeonites. Even their empty wine skins were completely dried up and cracked. But, the others were Saul's grandsons. Christ says, Luke 21:34-35 "But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly. Share David asked the Gibeonites what punishment would satisfy them and atone for (cover) Sauls sin of murder. Turn to Exodus 20 and see that right in the Ten Commandments it sounds like it could mean that sin does travel down the family tree. Share If what happened against Gibeon occurred during Saul's reign, even if it was in the latter half, it would mean it was at least (if we are in the last decade of King David's reign) that the massacre of Gibeonites occurred 40 or 50 years earlier. It is his sin. And the Gibeonites said to him, "We will have no silver or gold from Saul or from his house, nor shall you kill any man in Israel for us." WebTheir apostasy began with the Hivites from Gibeon, and in time, the leaven slowly spread. So they answered Joshua and said, "Because your servants were clearly told that the LORD your God commanded His servant Moses to give you all the land, and to destroy all the inhabitants of the land from before you.". VERSE 2. He was endangering the whole army by being out there, an old man trying to fight like a young man. We do not know how long before II Samuel 21 this incident happened. Gave 7 of Saul's sons to the Gibeonites. You shall make no covenant with them nor show mercy to them. Clarify How many rebellions were there? Another group, however, argues that as God's anointed king, When the Gibeonites heard that the other nations were going to attack them, they sent a message to Joshua and the people, Help! [And the answer is] Because the son has done what is lawful and right, and has kept all My statutes and observed them, he shall surely live. We have a very simple biblical principle here: God is just. Nevertheless, he names a few of them. I think that this was a test from God, and David failed spectacularly, except in keeping his promise to Jonathan. He keeps his word even to his own disadvantage and does not change it [for his own benefit] (Psalm 15:1, 4; AMP). He apparently killed The consequences are not the guilt. Israel was totally swindled and bamboozled. The Bible does not provide us the details of this killing. I dont think it was a matter of God allowing the Gibeonites to put to death Sauls sons. Web2 Samuel 21:1 Context. Based on this principle, I think we can be confident that justice was carried out in this very nasty incident, even though we are not told all the details of what happened. Jonathan and Saul led the Why did Herod like to listen to John the Baptist, who criticized Herods lifestyle? I am just going to start with the backdrop to the incident. And the LORD answered, "It is because of Saul and his bloodthirsty house, because he killed the Gibeonites." These cagey enemies of God's people were destined to be destroyed, so they devised a simple, but clever scheme to deceive Israel in the hope of saving their own necks. 1 Then there was a famine in the days of David three years, year after year; and David enquired of the LORD. He gets kicked down the societal ladder for his sin, and it takes three or four generations for the family to recover. Just tell me and I will do it for you.. David did not come to this with any regal neutrality in the least. Also, the Lord pronounced, It is a result of the massacre by Saul and welcome classification because Saul indeed destroyed the Gibeonites in the Bible. And that day Joshua made them woodcutters and water carriers for the congregation and for the altar of the LORD, in the place which He would choose, even to this day. 1316). The Bible barely alludes to the king's mad scheme, but we know that Saul's plot miserably failed. They made their dust-covered clothes to look worn and ragged as if they had been on the road for many days, even months. The time had passed. If He said that you are out of here, you are out of here. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. Now, if we would go through II Samuel 24, that even though David made a huge mistake in chapter 21, he did it right in chapter 24. But talk about your flawed heroes! Hearing that Joshua was camped in their general neighborhood, after his devastating defeat of the strategic cities of Jericho and Ai, the Gibeonites sent a delegation to him at nearby Gilgal. There was justice that was going to take place. Why didnt Abraham bargain with God when it came to Isaac being offered as a burnt offering like he did when it came to Sodom and Gomorrah? This incident appears in time sequence toward the end of his life. WebOne of the mothers of the men hanged by the Gibeonites protected the bodies of Saul's sons from birds and wild beasts day and night. When asked about the time of the end; when questioned about the signs that would precede His Second Coming, our blessed Lord instinctively cautioned: "Take heed that no man deceive you." But what actually did Saul do to the Gibeonites? WebThe alliance with the Gibeonites lasted for centuries, until Saul - in his zeal (21, 2) - decided that the ancient covenant was no longer binding. The scriptures are not very definitive as to why. When we read the history of skirmishes and battles between the Gibeonites and Israelites we get a Because David had been good friends with Jonathan, he at first allowed all of Sauls family to continue to live peaceably in the land. In verse 7 we see the only thing in the entire situation that was any good at all. He does not seem to have asked the priest who would know the law the best to find out what Scripture said about situations like this. In reading the Psalms, on the other hand, we get an idea of just how grateful he was for God's forgiveness and grace, because I believe he was aware of just what a rotten individual he really was. God did not perform a miracle to end this famine after these men were executed. With all the recent rebellions, he was probably worried that his alliances were going to fail, because he may have appeared to weaken. And as the one righteous person in the whole nation, he could have cried out, God would have heard, and God would have saved. They agree to the death of seven of Saul's descendants. He did not do anything to directly intervene. There is no record in the Bible of Saul killing Gibeonites. This is a bit unusual. King Saul would conscript them into the army, and off they would go in a bloodthirsty rage against somebody else. They had a more bloody and violent systemwhich often led to blood feuds that may not ever end until a whole family or generation was gone. Notice that I Kings begins not many chapters after this. If we would go back to Leviticus 26, we will see that David should have known that famine was no small thing in God's arsenal. From the time of Joshua, throughout the long period of the Judges, the very presence of these deceitful people had not only been a thorn in the side of the Israelis; their position in the land was a dividing wedge that separated southern Judah from the rest of the Kingdom. He does not live long past the end of II Samuel. persecuted and killed the Gibeonites men in a covenant relationship with Israel who served at the tabernacle. So you shall not pollute the land where you are [this is very important]; for blood defiles the land, and no atonement can be made for the land, for the blood that is shed on it, except by the blood of him who shed it. WebKing Saul later broke the treaty that Joshua had signed and attacked the Gibeonites. Another thing that God said to do was not done. The Rock, his work is perfect, for all his ways are justice. This shows that this portion of the story in II Samuel 21, hanging the bodies for six months or so, was an additional curse upon the land. They do what their flesh tells them to dowhat Satan inspires them to want to doand they do it. WebKing Saul later broke the treaty that Joshua had signed and attacked the Gibeonites. Was John the Baptist conceived via an immaculate conception? Your threshing shall last till the time of vintage, and the vintage shall last till the time of sowing; you shall eat your bread to the full, and dwell in your land safely. Therefore David said to the Gibeonites, "What shall I do for you? WebWhen God called Saul to be king, Israel was on the verge of collapse. Throughout the Scriptures warnings of spiritual dangers are signaled by the flash cards of attention getting words like: "Take heed" or "Consider". 21:2, NIV).2 Saul did this in his zeal for Israel and Judah. So for nationalistic reasons Saul was guilty of attempted genocide. There is a very important difference. Seven of Sauls descendants were hanged as a result. This is interesting. Here are guidelines to help facilitate a meaningful learning experience for everyone. How do other hominoids (e.g homo erectus, homo neanderthalensis, etc.) We are talking about the possibility of only two of the seven even remotely having any guilt in this matter whatsoever. The rains did not come after the Days of Unleavened Bread when these seven men were executed. He just let the natural cycles take their course. That would be a town in Benjamin just north of Jerusalem. We don't hear much of the Gibeonites again until the reign of King Saul. Israel plagued by allowing the deception It wouldnt be surprising if these people had become worshippers of God, from their exposure to the tabernacle and teaching. The angel of the LORD encamps all around those who fear Him, and delivers them. It is very evident from verse 4 that somebody offered money, either from the palace or from the family of Saul. The words "thirty" and "forty" are not in the original Hebrew. They were probably in middle age, 45-60. Other people do not carry the guilt for that person's sin. Once again, God's anointed was compelled to humble himself and his nation before a delegation of these servile Gibeonites. It springs out when you are not ready. God says very clearly that Israel was to conquer them, destroy them, and make no covenant with them. WebThe LORD answered, It is for Saul, and for his bloody house, because he slew the Gibeonites. Although the people of Israel had sworn to spare them, Saul had sought to strike them down in his zeal for the people of Israel and Judah. . How much food did Jesus produce? It is tainted.". If, in the event the Israelis ever came their way, they would be servants to the people of Israel. Let me ask God about this. Only in one sense, there was a fall of man, but certainly not in the traditional sense. Sheba's rebellion is in the previous chapter, II Samuel 20. He decided to let the Gibeonites dictate everything. Why is it just now that you are waking up to this? Or as the Gibeonites said Saul consumed them and tried to destroy them a people Israel had entered into a covenant with 400 years earlier. . Joshua did try to make lemonade out of his lemons. What we do inherit of their sin is consequences. Oh, fear the LORD, you His saints! I want you to understand where Barry was coming from in writing the note. Based on what he knew, and what was available in God's law, David should have been much more judicious. God took the initiative in this matter, by afflicting the nation of Israel with a famine because the house of Saul had put the Gibeonites to death. It shows you just how far things had sunk in the land. They did not inquire. God has torn the kingdom from you. Has the book of Amos been fulfilled or is it a reference to end times? It is not pretty when we allow the people of the land to dictate to us. He is able to judge justly. And the Lord said, There is bloodguilt on Saul and on his house, because he put the Gibeonites to death. 2 So the king called the Gibeonites and When He visits the iniquity upon successive generations, He is saying is that the results and curses that come automatically often go down a handful of generations. They were going to come in there and just exterminate. What I am trying to show you by going through these different places is that there is plenty of law that King David could have looked back on. Matt 24:4/Mk 13:5/Lk 21:8. It does not seem so. . What did David do to end the famine caused by Saul breaking a treaty with the Gibeonites? He says to watchbe aware, be awake, be vigilant; know what your spiritual state is. In fact, look down to verse 15, II Samuel 21:15-17 When the Philistines were at war again with Israel, David and his servants with him went down and fought against the Philistines; and David grew faint. Jerusalem is almost directly west a few miles, but it is quite high from the Jordan to the Jerusalem. God is just. You are no longer fit to be king." There should have been payment for it. "We don't want any money, for sure not Saul's money. This is very, very important for this vignette in King David's life. Then they went back and took Ai. It causes a problem in the way that the next generation is formed. Today, I want to visit one of King David's lesser-known black marks, and draw some lessons from it at the end. Berean Literal Bible Acts 13:21. It is the time of the beginning of the barley harvest. Although he had peace at this time, I think he was worried because they just had two successive rebellions, and were almost to the point of victory over King David until they were eliminated. Joshua kept his word to the Gibeonites even when it was inconvenient. This indicates that God was not pleased, whatsoever, with how this situation was resolved by David. There are things like destruction for their sin, and the family takes that long to recover from that destruction. He is beyond us; it does not make any sense. They got a couple of their men, maybe elders, and got them to appear like they came along distance. You do not know. He wanted to go do something else. Israel had to live with those consequences for years to come. He simply folded, giving the Gibeonites everything they wanted. WebThe designation Nethinim is derived from the Hebrew verb natan ("to give over"), which can mean devoting someone to cultic service. And with what shall I make atonement, that you may bless the inheritance of the LORD? However, we have a great deal of trouble identifying with or understanding pure, innocent and perfect Galahad. Joshua 9:14-16 Then the men of Israel took some of their provisions; but they did not ask counsel of the LORD. He was distracted. That would be such a carnal thing to dojust let the Gibeonites kill seven of Saul's kids who could claim the Israelite throne and get them out of the way. That is the background on the Gibeonites, and their relationship with Israel. Finally, after six or seven months, the rains came in their natural cycle. However, if he did not lie in wait, but God delivered him into his hand, then I will appoint for you a place where he may flee.". He then tells David that he can't marry Michal until he brings Saul 100 Philistine foreskins, thinking that David will definitely die in this attempt. Notice God declares that the bloodguilt was not just on Saul, but also his house. How many died in sicknesses? One other thing: Samuel said that God is not going to go back on His word. God sees behind the scenes. Who was the father of Mephibosheth? he put the Gibeonites to death. In addition, after this was the rebellion of Sheba, in which there were all kinds of disruptions until Sheba was killed. Then there are things of degeneracy. Here we find the Gibeonites demand, and King David counter demandsNOT. Saul and the Pharisees persecuted and killed the Christians, The sons of King Saul were killed as a result of this attempted genocide, The non-Christian inhabitants of Jerusalem were destroyed in AD70 Gods judgment on them for murdering his son and doubtless, the early Christians. And, it certainly does not record that David took this to God for His solution to it. Is there something I'm missing? 2 So the king called the Gibeonites and spoke to them. Exodus 21:12-13 "He who strikes a man so that he dies shall surely be put to death. 2Samuel 21:1, There is bloodguilt on Saul and on his house, because he put the Gibeonites to death.. The soul who sins shall die. A little further down, we read: II Samuel 21:2 . He had to plead to God for clearing and forgiveness, for cleaning up, because he knew it was not in himself to do that. He tried to come up with a compromise, and that was basically, "Whatever you want, you can have." And you shall take no ransom for him who has fled to his city of refuge, that he may return to dwell in the land before the death of the priest [no way of getting out of that either; he has to serve his whole time]. And after that God heeded the prayer for the land. WebNow, when they heard that the Gibeonites had made a special treaty with the Israelites they got very angry. We are getting toward the end of King David's life. He was distracted by the cares of this world, by the pulls of this, that, and the other thing, and so he gives in and compromises with the people of the land. So the king called the Gibeonites and spoke to them. So, he spared Agag, and he spared a lot of the good stuff. So the famine continued for another half a year. And they took old sacks on their donkeys, old wineskins torn and mended, old and patched sandals on their feet, and old garments on themselves; and all the bread of their provision was dry and moldy. He understood it. The Gibeonites left their mark on Israel's history in another wretched incident involving And these men, they need to be buried. There is not much wiggle room in all this. It says a bit later that somebody told him what that woman was doing out there protecting the bodies of the slain men of Saul's house for the past six months and it was as though he said, "Oh really? Two years is a long time. The last time Saul did swear not to kill David, Saul swore "by YHWH" not to kill david he broke it many times over since. 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